Tuesday, November 08, 2005

The Holy Book!

Check this out.
Surah III, 110: "You are the best of nations raised up for the benifit of men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong..."
Surah VIII, 55: "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve."
Surah IXm 29: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of the superiority of Muslims and they are in a state of subjugation."
Surah IX, 72: "Allah has promised to believers gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual abode, and best of all... Allah's goodly pleasures - that is the grandest achievement."
Surah IV, 74: "Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward."
Surah XLIV, 53, 54, 55: "They shall wear of fine and thick silks, (sitting) face to face; Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with virgins, pure, beautiful ones."
Surah V, 33: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be a disgrace for them in this world..."
Surah V, 76: "Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of Satan..."
Surah VIII, 65: O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they will overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you, they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve..."
Surah IX, 5: "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besige them and lie in wait for them in every ambush..."
Surah IX, 123: "He is it Who sent His Apostle with gudance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions..."
Surah IX, 123: "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near you and let them find in you hardness..."
Surah VIII, 12, 13 & 14: "When you Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and every fingertip of them. (13) This is because they acted adverse to Allah and his apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and his apostle - then surely Allah is severe in requitting. (14) This - taste it, and know that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire."
Surah VII, 182: And as to those who reject Our communications, We draw them near to destruction by degrees from whence they know not."
I got nothing to say on the matter.
Absolutely nothing.

16 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

u know what is sorry bout this post of yours..the fact that u arent any better than the fanatics ur friend just mentioned here..theres more to islam than that..y do u fail to mention the good things that islam introduced to an otherwise corrupt society with no values whatsoever..im not gonna preach to u,but quran only teaches us to wage war against those who destroy ur ppl,whether it be in regard to their lives,their families,their homes,their property,their religion or as such..its what americans like to call `SELF-DEFENSE` and is not only practiced everywhere but i believe is a human right whether muslim or not..we r also told to fight against those of us who donot hold fast to r values,`munafiqeen` theyr called..so do not presume u know nethin bout r religion or the holy teachings of quran bcos u read the translation of a few lines n interpreted the way any FANATIC would..if ur so interested in what the holy quran teaches us read it all,the whole of it n then maybe you`ll see why more n more ppl are drawn to it day by day...n in the end do not forget that every religion has extremists who use religion as an excuse for voilence against innocents..what u posted up there is not a msg to reign terror on innocents..the quran forbids that,it evens forbids the killing of women n children even if two countries are at war,cos they r counted as innocents,not a part of the war.....so what u said by putting up the whole post yet claimed had `got nothing to say` is all wrong,terrorism against innocents is not encouraged by the teachings of Allah,plz do not lead the ppl to believe so

November 09, 2005 12:28 AM  
Blogger Eleventy Seven said...

Funny you say that 'hana'.
I read in your comment that you are told to wage war against the people who do not hold fasts?

"we r also told to fight against those of us who donot hold fast to r values,`munafiqeen` theyr called"

Where's the individuality of a person? If one chooses not to fast or follow religion to the word then why force things down his gullet? Thats the projection of Islam that you are giving me here.

"If you dont follow be ready t be slaughtered. Cos Islam tells us to 'wage a war' against you."

Really now?

Interpretations aside what do you think is happening around us in the world right now. kindly step forward and exaplin as to why the major terrorists in the world follow Islam? Why are major attacks carried out by Muslims? How come hindus, Buddhists or even Christians dont feel the need to go on bombing the world?

I'm not saying there arent any extremists in other religions and that they dont commit henious crimes but to make it a propoganda and then spread it like wildfire? I fail to understand! Sure Hindus commit some seriously disgusting crimes here too but the thing is its contained within this country and is not a 'war' but a 'crime'. Hope you get the difference.

Waging wars doesent solve anything..... never has....never will.

P.S : My apologies Rohit, for using your space but something just ticked off in my brain when I read the retort. I had to speak my mind.

November 09, 2005 9:13 AM  
Blogger mortal thoughts said...

Where did you get this from? As a journo, the first thing you should do is link your source. This is the second time in recent memory you fucked up on an info. (First one when you claimed the Burj has a casino. Read my lips - IT DOESNT).

Provide us the links (Authentic ones) you have taken this from. Then its fit for discussion.

Secondly Saurabh and young buddha and ofcourse Mon Ami Conman- Hope your reading this. There are zillions of so called Islamic websites and Quranic translations on the net. You can get in any flavour you wish. Please be careful whilst comprehending them. ( I can on the hand get you zillions of the same thing for any religion you wish).

Apropos to the terrorists being Muslims and all that crap this is not the place to discuss it. Should anyone be interested I welcome you to join Omanforum.com. Its a discussion board and we can sort it out there.

Adios.

November 09, 2005 9:38 AM  
Blogger Once the Conman said...

Up Yours Mortal...

Hana: I am in no mood to write a lengthy comment right now. So, in short, all I am saying is... one verse... just one verse is enough to bring chaos and destruction.
A Holy Book can't afford to have that one verse.
Rest all is fine... have read the entire book...

November 09, 2005 9:53 AM  
Blogger Once the Conman said...

Mortal: Do you fucking really think I'm gonna listen to a choot like you about what on my blog is fit for discission or not?
Get a friggin life. My blog, MY posts, MY thoughts, My rules.

Young Buddha and Saurabh: you daid exactly what I mean. There are some amazing things in the book, but some, like these, are enough for fantasism to be fed on.

November 09, 2005 9:56 AM  
Blogger Eleventy Seven said...

Ah but Mr. Mortal why should one follow you around on the net to discuss things. If the owner of this blog is not offended and is ok with it why are you leading me or anyone elsewhere? Let's have a straight out discussion here. (with due permission from Conman).

And I notice you had nothing to say about the 'waging wars' bit. My point is why wage wars? What makes you think wars will be the end of all evil, injustice or whatever else you wanna wage them for. Apart from pure greed there is nothing else someone will wage a 'war' for.

'Crap' is exactly what I think some of these men are hypnotised to beleive.
Killing in the name of religion is what is 'crap'.
'Holy war' is what is 'crap'.
'Crap' is exactly what Conman says here. One verse is enough. With twisted minds and freaks who will decipher it to their own cause... it just serves to their own greed.

We are not the ones who decipher the Quran in our own way. I think you should first talk to the men who kill in the name of Quran and ask them who deciphered it for them.

I for one havent read it but have spoken to my Muslim friends about it and they tell me that if read correctly it doesent preach violence by any means but if not then it can mean all the things we see around us.

So really Mr. Mortal .. think again.. and think hard. Who is it that is deciphering the Quran incorrectly.

November 09, 2005 10:50 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks for that Conman, kudoes to you for having the balls to put that up.

I bet I can think of a hundred ways to express how scandalised I am at the brevity of your post. But all I can really wonder is if there is so much goodwill and piety waiting to be diciphered, why isn't someone stepping up and redeeming this so-called misunderstood religion?

November 09, 2005 12:46 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

And Saurabh, kudoes to you too!

November 09, 2005 12:47 PM  
Blogger Arroclint said...

religion: very touchy subject boss!

November 09, 2005 2:41 PM  
Blogger Once the Conman said...

Dude... just coz things are a little touchy doesn't mean we don't venture into them...
It's easy to always play safe... the path we keep talking about had a hundred more such things to be screamed out.

November 09, 2005 2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

saurabh:by sayin its not bein deciphered or interpreted the way it should be..i dint say u r the ppl who see what u wanna see in those lines,in those sayings...read what i wrote again.`n in the end do not forget that every religion has extremists who use religion as an excuse for voilence against innocents`..all over the world ppl use religion as an excuse to kill innocents,n even the muslims who do that r wrong....n before u claim all terrorists r muslims let me assure u that u know nothing watsoever about terrorism accept what u r being led to believe by american media..bigger terrorist acts hav been carried out n by ppl from all religions-christians,jews n even hindus-so plz refrain from naming names before u hav ur facts straight.....read my very last line,read the whole of it again..i only tried to exactly clarify what is always misinterpreted by ppl..im against no religion,i beileve in all faiths,but if r holy sayings r being accused for what ppl(muslims n nonmuslims alike)do in the world,i hav all the right to say that isnot so,bcos it gets personal there

conman:if uv read the whole book then y wod u only put these up??y not put up the amazing things u read in there??..like i told saurabh,muslims nonmuslims alike r wrong if they twist these sayins around for their personal interests..so i wasnt tryin to diss any1 by sayin all i said,but i wont hav any1 diss my religion either..im not arguin here,jus sayin there r two ways to look at things,u hav the choice of deciding how u will look at them..ur a writer,look at this differently with an open mind,read between the lines,n again read the parts that hav nothing but goodwill in them,n then tell me this is all r religion teaches us..
sorry bout usin up ur post space

November 09, 2005 10:25 PM  
Blogger Once the Conman said...

Hey Hana, listen to me... and listen to me carefully.
I love what islam preaches, I love what Christianity preaches and I love what Hinduism preaches as well.
But try and understand what I am saying. I, over the past few months, have been watching beheading videos in Iraq, execution videos, and have been reading up a lot about the Jehadis. I started reading the Quran because I wanted to know why before they kill did all those men say they were killing in the name of God, in the name of Allah.
I believe there is one God, and if the God I am talking about doesn't encourage bloodshed and violence I am sure, how can these people hear it from somewhere.
There are indeed some really really pretty things in the Quran, but these were a few that I thought were enough to instigate those people who are vulnerable to religion. That's the only reason I posted them.
I am saying, right here, openly, at this point, that these verses, just these verses of the Quran should be re-thought of, and yeah, maybe re-written, or better still... deleted.
Thats it. Things I feel may improve over the years.
Thats all.
I hope you get my point.

November 09, 2005 10:33 PM  
Blogger mortal thoughts said...

Just as I thought. You proved your a coward by deleting my post. But I meant it for you not for others.

Your one helluva scared lill shit. If you have the guts FACE me.

Btw, in the burj post you said youll bomb my office - I have 2. 1 in Mct and the other in Doha. The beige building beside the NCHR (human rights committee). Extreme right side corner office. Its a jazzy repro/digital printing unit. I own it. Ill be there in 2 days. Come and bomb it.

Can you do what you say? And I BET I can do what I say. Wanna challenge?

November 10, 2005 9:28 AM  
Blogger Once the Conman said...

Deleted? What deleted? Are u demented?
And about getting in touch with me in Doha. It's really easy.
So yeah... when you're here, call me...
Face you eh?
Just call me... then when you see my face you'll know who needs to face who...

November 10, 2005 12:32 PM  
Blogger Eleventy Seven said...

Mortal - Really get over it man!

First off, if your comment was deleted then it would show as 'Deleted by Blog Administrator'. How kiddish can one get? I seriously think you have lost your marbles.

Grow up man!

November 10, 2005 2:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

n i realise muslim,hindu,buddhist,jew..men stay men..what is wrong with u guys..it was jus a discussion,every1 has the right to their opinions..im sorry for startin a ruckus,(not apologizin for my opinion,tht holds strong n stays the same)...anyway honestly end it here guys bcos again you r doin exactly what u guys were opposing all along...being voilent

November 11, 2005 12:38 AM  

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